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I hope Sela won't mind that I'm taking this ball and running with it. Yes, this show deserves its own thread, and it's kind of sad we haven't gotten around to having one until the (presumably) final season.

Agra asked for a recap of the previous four seasons, and I will do my best to cobble something together. If you haven't seen the first four seasons and would rather not know what happens, I suggest you read no further.

Truth is, Wikipedia actually has a decent summary of the seasons, but it's probably best never to go there for a TV show you're not up-to-date on, so I'll use their words and add some of my own to sum up the seasons so anyone can get on board for the new season, which premiered last night. Anyone should of course feel free to add stuff I might have forgotten or misremembered.

After this post, we can use this thread as a regular spoiler discussion thread to talk about the new episodes -- or past ones too for that matter.



Setup

The story is that of brothers Sam and Dean Winchester, who fight supernatural creatures. Anything from vampires to ghosts and Demons. Their mother died when they were very young - murdered by an evil beast - and hence their father John devoted his life to hunting these evil sons of bitches, and to hopefully find out what killed his wife. John would bring the boys on the road with him, training them to be Hunters too. Sam, the younger brother, didn't want this life for himself, so he left to attend university. Dean stayed with their dad. One day, John suddenly disappears and Dean seeks out his brother in an effort to get him to go back on the road once more to look for their dad.

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The Winchesters: Sam (Jared Padalecki), John (Jeffrey Dean Morgan), and Dean (Jensen Ackles)


Season one

In the first season, we're introduced to the brothers and in the pilot Dean goes to Sam's college dorm informing him of the disappearance of their father, and asks him to come back to "the life". Sam doesn't really want back in that line of work; he's now in college and has a girlfriend he'd rather stay with, Jessica. Sam does agree to go along for a little while though to look for John, and while he's gone, Jessica is murdered in the same way and presumably by the same beast who claimed their mother's life. Sam feels guilty but also determined to get revenge. Feeling he has nothing left to lose, he drops out of school and joins his brother on the road. We also learn that Sam had had visions of Jessica's death long before it happened, but he didn't pay attention to them.

Most of this season was very much "slay the monster of the week", with the boys traveling all over the country looking for supernatural occurences and trying to vanquish evil. To find new cases, they scour the Internet and local newspapers, and also use their father's diary where he has kept clippings and notes from all his hunting over the years. When they find something suspicious, they have to not only figure out what sort of creature they're dealing with, but also how to kill it.

All the while, they're looking for clues as to the whereabouts of their father. In the end, they do find John who tells them that the beast who killed their mother (and Jessica) was a "Yellow-Eyed Demon" (later revealed to go by the name Azazel). He has also learned of a special Colt revolver that can kill anything, even demons. The season ends without them having killed Azazel, and all three Winchester boys are injured in a car accident (caused by another demon).

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Azazel (Fredric Lehne)

One more thing of note is that in order to save John, the boys go to an old family-friend for help, Bobby Singer. He's a friend of their dad's, and also a Hunter, and we'll see lots more of him in coming episodes.


Season two

At the start of the second season, we pick up where we left off. Dean sustained serious injuries in the car accident and is dying. In an effort to save his life, John makes a deal with Azazel, exchanging his soul for his son's. He also offers the Demon the Colt. Dean is saved, but John is now doomed. John doesn't tell Sam what he's done, but tells Dean (who's waking up) to take care of his little brother. John later dies and is sent to Hell.

We also learn this season that Azazel has bigger plans for Sam, and other children born around the same time as him - and all these children's mothers have died the same way. Sam feels guilty for this, guilty for having "caused" the death of his mother, and even more determined on revenge. We find out that the night his mother died, Sam was infected with Demon blood, which is the cause of his premonitions and visions. The other children are similarly afflicted. Much of this season is focused on retrieving the Colt, and hunting Azazel. Azazel gathers all these special children in an abandoned town and has them fight to the death. Sam is killed, and to save his life, Dean makes a deal with a Demon, trading his soul for Sam's life. Dean is told he has one year to live before he will be sent to Hell. Needless to say, this causes Sam to feel even more guilt.

In the end, the brothers manage to kill Azazel with the Colt, but not before the Demon opens The Devil's Gate, a portal to Hell, releasing an army of demons. John also escapes Hell and hopefully moves to a better place.


Season three

Things start to be revealed this season about Azazel's ultimate motive for having the "last man standing" battle, and his plans for Sam. The brothers focus their energies this season on battling the many Demons that were let out of Hell, and also to try to find a way to get Dean out of his deal.

Along the way, they meet a Demon named Ruby, who takes an interest in Sam and claims to be able to save Dean.

After searching for a long time, the brothers do manage to track down the Demon who holds the contract for Dean's soul. She is a very powerful Demon by the name of Lilith (who mostly appears in the human shape of a creepy little girl). Sam and Ruby fail to save Dean, and when his time is up, he is sent to Hell.


Season four

At the start of the season, Dean crawls out of a grave. We learn he has been rescued from Hell by an angel called Castiel - on direct orders from God. In the months during which Dean was gone, a grieving Sam has worked with Ruby to help develop his abilities. He is now able to slay Demons with just the use of his mind. This relationship greatly worries Dean though, who can see Sam is drifting further and further from his own self, embracing the darkness and slipping away from Dean.

Dean was rescued from Hell by Castiel in order to stop Lilith's plan of letting Lucifer walk free. In order to let Lucifer free, there are 66 "seals" that must be broken, and the brothers now have a hefty task ahead of them, stopping Lilith and her many Demon buddies from breaking those seals. Throughout the season, we learn more about these Angels and their motives, something which will become important later.

While it appeared that Dean was only gone for a few months, we learn that in Hell-time, he was down there for decades, being tortured over and over again by a sadistic Demon named Alastair. Eventually, he gave up and started torturing souls himself, so he wouldn't have to take the pain any more. We find out that this was the first seal - a righteous man spilling blood in Hell - and hence, the ball is set in motion.

Throughout the season, we see Sam slipping further away from Dean, going more towards the dark side and letting himself be seduced by Ruby. They not only have sex, but Sam drinks her blood too and becomes addicted to its powers. The brothers continue their work of slaying beasts and trying to stop the seals from being broken.

The brothers also meet Anna (a fallen Angel), Uriel (a vengeful Angel of destruction), and Chuck (a prophet of God). Some of these characters are outlined below.

In the finale, Sam does manage to kill Lilith using his Demon-slaying abilities, but unfortunately her murder was the final seal. Ruby reveals she has been manipulating Sam all along. The whole thing was a plot set in motion by Lucifer himself; sending Azazel to find that one special child who could kill Lilith, thus setting him free. Dean kills Ruby in revenge. We also find out that the Angels who have been "helping" the brothers throughout the season wanted the seals to be broken. Why? Because if Lucifer is set free and then defeated, they can help usher in paradise on Earth. Seems risky to me, but what do I know?

So, Lilith's death having been the final seal that needed to be broken, Lucifer is set free.

Season five will therefore focus on their struggle to defeat Lucifer, the strained relationship between Sam and Dean, and the idea that Dean must be the one to save humanity by killing The Fallen One.


Some people you might need to know

Castiel - An Angel of the lord, "Cas" has many great powers, but does not usually interfere in the affairs of men. Regular human beings cannot watch or listen to the true form of an Angel, so Castiel has taken on a human host. Castiel becomes a little more human through his interactions with Dean, but he's still very much a creature with an agenda, and he will be important in season five.

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Castiel (Misha Collins)

Bobby - As stated previously, Bobby is an old family friend and Hunter, who often comes to help Sam and Dean on their missions. He lives at his auto salvage yard, which acts as a safe haven for Hunters and where Bobby has built a panic room which is impenetrable by Demons. Bobby acts as a father-figure for the boys, and often offers help and shelter. (PS. Bobby is awesome.)

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Bobby (Jim Beaver)

Chuck - Chuck is an unwilling prophet (yes, really, he's a prophet called Chuck). In a very funny episode entitled "The Monster at the End of This Book", the brothers are shocked to discover a series of books entitled "Supernatural" that accurately detail their lives as Demon Hunters. They confront the oblivious author, who didn't realise the brothers actually existed. Chuck has visions of the future and tries to help the brothers by predicting what is to come. Chuck is of great value to Heaven, so he's now being protected by an Archangel.

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Chuck (Rob Benedict)

Anna - Anna is a fallen Angel who was reborn on Earth. She has the ability to overhear conversations of Angels and is therefore of great interest to Demons. The Angels believe this is a serious problem to them, and claim they have to kill her. Anna fell from Heaven since she thought her existence there was unsatisfactory due to lack of emotion and free will. When she was an Angel, she was the superior of Castiel and his cohort Uriel. Anna tries to recover her Grace, and eventually manages to do so while retaining her human form to be able to assist the brothers.

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Anna (Julie McNiven)

Zachariah - An Angel and Castiel's superior. Zachariah isn't really a fan of humans, but he's very smart and powerful. Zachariah got in touch with Chuck after the latter had his vision, warning Chuck against alerting the brothers. When Lilith nears breaking the final seal, Zachariah and Castiel imprison Dean in an idyllic room in order to keep him safe. After repeated questioning by Dean, Zachariah admits that Heaven is allowing the Demons to break the seals. Confident in their ability to defeat the forces of Hell once Lucifer is unleashed, they see this as a means of finally attaining paradise.

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Zachariah (Kurt Fuller)

Meg - A Demon whose father is Azazel, Meg infiltrates the brothers and tries to separate them. Early in the show, she's working against John to regain the Colt. She is sent to Hell by Bobby and the brothers, but manages to escape. Meg will reappear this season. Meg has been portrayed by a number of different actresses, most notably originally by Nicki Aycox.

Ellen and Jo - Ellen is the mother of Jo, and the proprietor of Harvelle's Roadhouse, a saloon frequented by Hunters. Ellen becomes an ally of the brothers after learning they are the sons of John Winchester. Jo shows romantic feelings towards Dean, and although he feels the same, he won't act on them. Jo leaves to become a Hunter. The Roadhouse later burns down, but Ellen gets away, and will return along with Jo in season five.

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Ellen (Samantha Ferris) and Jo (Alona Tal)

Ruby - As previously mentioned, Ruby is a demon who pretends to help Sam and Dean throughout season four, pulling Sam into her web and teaching him how to improve his special abilities. She was killed at the end of the fourth season as described above.

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Ruby in her two human shapes (Katie Cassidy, season three and Genevieve Cortese, season four)

Lucifer - Well, we don't know much about Lucifer yet, except that he's played by Mark Pellegrino who plays Jacob on Lost.

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Lucifer's new "meat suit" (Mark Pellegrino)


Recurring themes and magical objects

The Colt - As previously mentioned, this is a gun that can slay Demons. It was made by Samuel Colt himself, and it comes with thirteen Demon-slaying bullets. The last of those bullets was used to kill Azazel, and we're led to believe the Colt is therefore useless. However, Ruby and Bobby repair the gun and it can now use other bullets. As of the end of season four, the Colt was in Lilith's possession, but we know it's going to appear again this year.

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Ruby's knife - Ruby owns a mysterious knife, which can slay Demons. The downside of the knife is that once a Demon is stabbed, not only the beast is vanquished, but the human host also dies immediately. Whenever possible, the brothers like to avoid killing the innocent host by exorcising Demons by more conventional means. The knife is also useless in killing Angels. We've been led to believe we may see this knife again, despite Ruby being dead.

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Ruby's knife, here in the possession of the Demon Alastair (Mark Rolston)

The Law - Unfortunately for the Winchesters, being a Hunter doesn't really pay well. So, in order to stay afloat financially, Sam and Dean have to resort to crime, credit card fraud, hustling, and other unsavory methods. Since people in general do not believe monsters are real, their investigations often have them breaking the law, and more than once have they been detained on various charges and had to run from the law. For some reason, the police and the FBI don't really take kindly to grave robbing, breaking and entering, bank robbery, and impersonation of government officials, to name a few of their offences. "Luckily" for the boys, in season three a sheriff's office explodes, and the brothers are presumed dead, effectively ending the FBI's pursuit of them.

The car, the music, the humour - One of the best thing about Supernatural is that unlike so many other shows, it doesn't take itself too seriously. The brothers drive around in Dean's beloved 1967 Chevy Impala, and play classic rock music on the radio. This isn't really important to the plot, but it's a theme of sorts and I think it adds much of the show's charm. When impersonating people such as police officers, the brothers identify themselves by fake names, often taken from rock personalities of note, or characters from popular culture. There have been several episodes that haven't had much to do with the overall storyline, but have been pastiches on familiar themes, or have taken on a meta-nature by referencing themselves.

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Absolutely fantastic my queen!!!!

I actually wrote my own synopsis, and I'll post it too just for the heck of it, but all the extra details regarding the supporting cast should help any of those who want to join the wagon. :notworthy:

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Sam and Dean Winchester are brothers and hunters. Hunters chase and destroy all sorts of supernatural creatures. Their father, John Winchester was also a hunter.

Season 1

The Winchesters story starts when a Yellow-Eyed Demon visits Sam when he is just a baby in his crib. Their mother discovers it, and the demon kills her, burning their house in the process. From then on, John becomes a hunter, obsessed in killing this demon.
After a few years, Dean, the oldest, continues in his father footsteps, while Sam tries to put it all behind after going to college. But again the Yellow-Eyed Demon appears, and kills Sam’s girlfriend. The brothers reconnect, and try to follow the trail of his dad.
Mostly throughout this season they kill different monsters, and towards they catch up with their dad. In the process they also manage to procure a special weapon, a Colt created by Samuel Colt himself, capable of killing any creature, while being chased by Meg, a demon who ends up being Yellow-Eyed Demon’s daughter. They manage to trap her, and exorcise her out of her host. They also manage to find the Yellow-Eyed Demon, who's name is revealed to be Azazel, but Sam is unable to kill him after he possesses his dad. However they manage to kick it out of him. At the end of the season, all three Winchester are badly hurt, after being run over by a truck while the driver was possessed by a demon

Season 2

Dean is between life and death, and John makes a pact with Azazel, who acknowledges that his visit to Sam when he was a baby had a purpose. John trades his life, and the Colt for Dean’s life.

The brothers continue their search for the demon, mostly helped by a good friend of their dad’s, an old Hunter named Bobby, and in the process realize that Azazel has visited other children as well. All of them, including Sam, showcase certain supernatural powers (Sam has premonitions; others have telekinetic powers and such).

Towards the end, Azazel gathers all this kids to see who is the most powerful and become his general to lead his demonic forces out of hell. In the process, Sam is killed by one of them, and Dean makes a pact with another demon, reviving Sam, and giving Dean one year to live before he is taken to hell.

The special kid who survived, guided by Azazel, uses the Colt in a special cemetery, which causes a Devil's Gate to open. The Winchester’s manage to recover the Colt, and with the help of their dad’s spirit kill Azazel, closing the gate, but a great number of demons have manage to come out.


Season 3

The brothers are trying to hunt down all the demons who escaped, while at the same time trying to figure out a way of saving Dean from his pact, which will send him to hell in one year. They are joined occasionally by another demon called Ruby, whose intentions are not very clear, but who informs them that a new powerful demon has risen, Lilith. Apparently she wants to destroy the Winchesters, and she is the one that actually holds Dean’s contract. And she also holds a grudge against Ruby.

Ruby is trying to get Sam to use more and more his supernatural powers, for they could be the only way to stop Lilith. In the end, his powers do manage to stop her from killing him, but cannot save Dean, who ends up trapped and tortured in hell.


Season 4

3 months have passed, and suddenly Dean is brought back from hell. Soon, Bobby and Dean meet the one who brought him out, Castiel, an Angel. Turns out angels are pretty much dicks, but they need Dean to help them, since Lilith is trying to break 66 seals that would bring Lucifer back to Earth.

In the meantime, Sam has been hooking up with Ruby, and drinking her blood, which has greatly empowered him, to the point that he can just kill demons with his thoughts.

Sam and Dean reunite, and Dean does not approve of Sam’ methods, but they try to work together on making sure the 66 seals are not broken. In the process, they meet Alastair, a powerful demon who tortured Dean in hell. It is then revealed that even though 3 months have passed on earth, 40 years passed for Dean in hell, and he was offered over and over to start torturing souls. He repeatedly declined….for 30 years, but he couldn’t take it anymore, and started the torturing, which was the first broken seal, and what started the whole mess.

They also meet Anna, a former Angel who feel down to earth, and help her recover her powers; Uriel, a powerful angel of destruction, with no love for humans, and Zachariah, a higher rank angel, and Castiel’s boss. Castiel continues his relation with the boys, and tries to help them, but has to also follow orders from heaven. And he continues to warn Dean about Sam’s path, which could lead them to darkness.

Finally, they also meet Chuck, a novelist who’s been writing stories about the brothers, and they find out that he is actually a prophet of God, protected by the most powerful of angels, an Archangel. Again, he warns Dean about the path that Sam is following and with this info, Dean and Bobby trap Sam, and try to cleanse him of the demon blood but they are unsuccessful.

Sam, accompanied by Ruby, heads after Lilith before she can break the final seal, while the angels place Dean on the sidelines. They actually want the apocalypse to arrive, convinced that they can bring down Lucifer after; it is said that Dean will be the one bringing Lucifer down. Dean is outraged at the thought of Sam going alone, and all the innocents that will die. Castiel eventually frees Dean, and they arrive to see the confrontation between Sam and Lilith. Sam prevails, tapping into all his demon power, and kills Lilith, but it is then revealed that killing Lilith was the final seal. Ruby has been doing it all along to bring Lucifer to earth. It is revealed via flashbacks that Lucifer had set the whole thing in motion, sending Azazel to find him a special child that could kill Lilith, thus breaking the final seal.

The brothers kill Ruby, but the gate of hell opens. Lucifer is rising…

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Last nights premiere was again top notch. Perfect setup for the rest of the season.

And BTW, I hear we can expect some Archangels to pop up soon....

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I couldn't continue this thread without posting the two funniest moments of the whole series...




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Excellent recap, Sela. You touched on a few points I had left out. Now hopefully Agra and anyone else who wants to play along can catch up.

I managed to watch the premiere a little while ago, and I agree that it's perfect setup for the rest of the season. The Sword of Michael thing caught me off guard, and I'm curious to see what they're gonna do with that.

Were we led to believe that God himself had saved Cas? I didn't entirely understand that scene when he comes and slays those two Angels and tells Zachariah to leave.

I also really dug Lucifer coming to claim his vessel; some truly creepy scenes, none more so than their little talk about God.

As usual, some really good scenes and funny moments too. Good to see the show hasn't lost its sense of humour. Such as the scene with the "#1 fan": "Can you stop touching me now?" "No." and Dean's verbal sparring match with Zach "life as an Angel condom."


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Those were both freakin' excellent recaps. You're good men... and thorough.

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Ruby's knife - Ruby owns a mysterious knife, which can slay Demons. The downside of the knife is that once a Demon is stabbed, not only the beast is vanquished, but the human host also dies immediately. Whenever possible, the brothers like to avoid killing the innocent host by exorcising Demons by more conventional means. The knife is also useless in killing Angels. We've been led to believe we may see this knife again, despite Ruby being dead.

That's what I thought when watching last night... then Bobby survives being stabbed by it. Did I miss something or did they try to explain this last night?


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Philip wrote:
Those were both freakin' excellent recaps. You're good men... and thorough.

Why, thanks.

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Ruby's knife - Ruby owns a mysterious knife, which can slay Demons. The downside of the knife is that once a Demon is stabbed, not only the beast is vanquished, but the human host also dies immediately. Whenever possible, the brothers like to avoid killing the innocent host by exorcising Demons by more conventional means. The knife is also useless in killing Angels. We've been led to believe we may see this knife again, despite Ruby being dead.

That's what I thought when watching last night... then Bobby survives being stabbed by it. Did I miss something or did they try to explain this last night?

I can think of one of two explanations:

1. It doesn't kill humans who are no longer possessed. Bobby had "recovered" by the time the knife went in. If a human is just a human, perhaps it's no more or less effective than any other knife would be in a similar situation.

2. Zachariah did in fact come through on part of his word to Cas and helped heal Bobby.

I'm kinda leanings towards #1 right now.


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Excellent recap, Sela. You touched on a few points I had left out. Now hopefully Agra and anyone else who wants to play along can catch up.

I managed to watch the premiere a little while ago, and I agree that it's perfect setup for the rest of the season. The Sword of Michael thing caught me off guard, and I'm curious to see what they're gonna do with that.

Were we led to believe that God himself had saved Cas? I didn't entirely understand that scene when he comes and slays those two Angels and tells Zachariah to leave.

I also really dug Lucifer coming to claim his vessel; some truly creepy scenes, none more so than their little talk about God.

As usual, some really good scenes and funny moments too. Good to see the show hasn't lost its sense of humour. Such as the scene with the "#1 fan": "Can you stop touching me now?" "No." and Dean's verbal sparring match with Zach "life as an Angel condom."


Same here with The Sword of Michael. Nice touch. I just wonder if the demons knew about his important role too.

And I was also a bit baffled by Castiel's statement. After a second viewing, I'm now convinced that God's help is what was being implied.

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Nunis wrote:
Philip wrote:
Those were both freakin' excellent recaps. You're good men... and thorough.

Why, thanks.

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Ruby's knife - Ruby owns a mysterious knife, which can slay Demons. The downside of the knife is that once a Demon is stabbed, not only the beast is vanquished, but the human host also dies immediately. Whenever possible, the brothers like to avoid killing the innocent host by exorcising Demons by more conventional means. The knife is also useless in killing Angels. We've been led to believe we may see this knife again, despite Ruby being dead.

That's what I thought when watching last night... then Bobby survives being stabbed by it. Did I miss something or did they try to explain this last night?

I can think of one of two explanations:

1. It doesn't kill humans who are no longer possessed. Bobby had "recovered" by the time the knife went in. If a human is just a human, perhaps it's no more or less effective than any other knife would be in a similar situation.

2. Zachariah did in fact come through on part of his word to Cas and helped heal Bobby.

I'm kinda leanings towards #1 right now.


My impression when I saw it is that Bobby injured himself, but all other deaths where straight killings. It's kinda what I felt when I saw it...


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Also, I was seriously worried for Bobby there for a minute.


No bull...thankfully there was an interview with him a while back, and he mentioned he was going to be throughout the season.

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*avoids looking at Spoilers*

I'm waiting for part two of my Season 4 boxed set to arrive... I can never find Supernatural on the telly over here, so I gave up and pre-order the DVDs off Play. :)

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Thank you both! Some of that I got from the few shows I've seen but not all of it... Excited to finally see the premiere now that I know what's going on
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I've seen the first posted somewhere on the boards before... Is this like a Psych-out blooper reel at the end of the show or did it actually fit a plot?

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So what did Dean's bloody hand/symbol trick do to Zachariah and the other two angels? Banish them from the room?

What did Cass do to the angels when he stabbed them and they glowed? Kill them or just send them back to heaven?

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Truth is, we don't really know the answers to those questions. Nor is it important. My assumption is that Zach and his buddies were banished from the room or sent to heaven, and bought the brothers some time. Exorcising demons often works the same way; they don't always die but they have to regroup or something. As for Cas, I don't know either. If he was sent from God directly, I can't imagine he killed them. It was probably the equivalent of "you're fired" and they were sent back and/or their mortal bodies were destroyed. I try not to worry too much about micromanagement issues such as these; they're completely beside the point.


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Truth is, we don't really know the answers to those questions. Nor is it important. My assumption is that Zach and his buddies were banished from the room or sent to heaven, and bought the brothers some time. Exorcising demons often works the same way; they don't always die but they have to regroup or something. As for Cas, I don't know either. If he was sent from God directly, I can't imagine he killed them. It was probably the equivalent of "you're fired" and they were sent back and/or their mortal bodies were destroyed. I try not to worry too much about micromanagement issues such as these; they're completely beside the point.

Ah... I just figured from Dean's line that symbol/hand/blood thing was from a past episode and figured Zack and friends were killed... but then showed up again later...

Was Chuck in any other S4 eps besides Monster at the End of This Book? Did we see Cass get destroyed or was Chuck's line in the premiere the first mention?

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IIRC (and it's been a while so I could be mistaken) we've only met Chuck in that one episode. And no, I don't remember seeing Cas's supposed demise. Might've been in the finale and I just forgot.


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Cool... Then I think S5 is going to be a fun ride... Thanks for all the help and backstory!

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Nunis wrote:
IIRC (and it's been a while so I could be mistaken) we've only met Chuck in that one episode. And no, I don't remember seeing Cas's supposed demise. Might've been in the finale and I just forgot.


Correct on Chuck, he's only showed on that one.

And we never saw Castiel's demise. An archangel was coming for him once he managed to get Dean out to help his brother on last season' finale.

As for the knife that he uses, it was seen once, last season, and it can kill angels...

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Nunis wrote:
IIRC (and it's been a while so I could be mistaken) we've only met Chuck in that one episode. And no, I don't remember seeing Cas's supposed demise. Might've been in the finale and I just forgot.


Correct on Chuck, he's only showed on that one.


Chuck also appeared on last season's finale.

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Yeah, see, this is what happens when there is a four-month long summer hiatus every year. It's also what happens when you watch some 40+ TV shows. Nunis forgets stuff.


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I've seen the first posted somewhere on the boards before... Is this like a Psych-out blooper reel at the end of the show or did it actually fit a plot?


There is a bit in the episode where he's in the car listening to Eye of the Tiger - the "extended version" plays at the end of the episode :D

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Can someone please remind me where Dean got the amulet that Cass took from him? Was it his father?

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Can someone please remind me where Dean got the amulet that Cass took from him? Was it his father?

IIRC, young Sam got it from Bobby and had intended to give it to John for Christmas. Except John didn't come home for Christmas that year, Same gave it to Dean instead.

As far as I know, we don't know of any inherent power in the amulet, except that Bobby claims it's "real special".


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Can someone please remind me where Dean got the amulet that Cass took from him? Was it his father?

IIRC, young Sam got it from Bobby and had intended to give it to John for Christmas. Except John didn't come home for Christmas that year, Same gave it to Dean instead.

As far as I know, we don't know of any inherent power in the amulet, except that Bobby claims it's "real special".

Thanks, that jogged my memory.

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Alonzo Mosely, FBI. ;)
Oh, and Dean knows Hebrew, too? :lol:

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