World Cup 2006 Thread

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Who will win? (Entrants listed in FIFA Ranking Order)

Brazil
5
14%
Czech Republic
1
3%
Netherlands
1
3%
USA
3
8%
Spain
2
6%
France
2
6%
England
4
11%
Germany
1
3%
Wyoming
11
31%
NOTA
6
17%
 
Total votes: 36

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#301 Post by Gren » 01 Jul 2006, 22:06

I believe Ronaldo said this week he wanted to move to Real Madrid. Well, I don't think he should come back to Manchester for a while, at least.
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#302 Post by F.N.G. » 02 Jul 2006, 00:42

Reasons why Rooney didn't deserve a card:

1) The 'stamp' was unintentional
2) The 'stamp' happened after he should have been awarded a free kick for Figo's foul in the first place.
3) If it was for the push, well that would be totally ridiculous, half the players should have been sent off in the scuffle.
4) Ronaldo is a wanker.

I can understand you being happy that Portugal got through, Ze, but I have found this entire cup shameful in the manner it has been played. I am firmly now supporting the Germans, the only team who havent yet tried to cheat their way to victory (France, second, they haven't cheated all that much). I hope Portugal get well and truly stuffed. Their behaviour in the last two games should be used as an example of how not to act in football matches.
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#303 Post by DrG » 02 Jul 2006, 02:26

The News of the World today has a two page spread detailing why Rooney should have been sent off. WTF?

I am no fan of Wayne Rooney (I think he's a hot-headed idiot who happens to be very good at kicking a ball), but to be sent off for something, which to 99% of the people watching the game was an unintentional stamp on someone's wedding tackle?

The beautiful game has unfortunately become the ugly game. And Cristiano Ronaldo will probably find out exactly how ugly when he turns up for pre-season training.
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#304 Post by Toto le Héros » 02 Jul 2006, 03:50

Ze, as I said : Rooney deserves it. As much as Zidane did when we played Saoudi Arabia in 1998. No matter how much a jerk is getting on your nerves, you should not clean your boots on his belly/groin : It's just what they wanted in the first place. It's more subtle than breaking a guy's leg (see Netherlands vs Ronaldo).

But FNG's also right, two fouls were ignored in the same action, seconds before Rooney snapped.
And I do not think that kick was a "reflex" in a struggle.

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#305 Post by Ze » 02 Jul 2006, 10:11

F.N.G. wrote:Reasons why Rooney didn't deserve a card:
F.N.G. wrote:2) The 'stamp' happened after he should have been awarded a free kick for Figo's foul in the first place.
Irrelevant.
F.N.G. wrote: 4) Ronaldo is a wanker.
Irrelevant.
F.N.G. wrote:1) The 'stamp' was unintentional
Unless you're Rooney, you can't say that. You can only question the referee's interpretation. Looking at it objectively, I don't think he can be blamed for assuming it was intentional.
F.N.G. wrote:3) If it was for the push, well that would be totally ridiculous, half the players should have been sent off in the scuffle.
With this I must agree. We'll have to wait for his report, I guess.
I can understand you being happy that Portugal got through, Ze.
Wrong — I couldn't care less. If anything, I'm rooting against Portugal.

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#306 Post by F.N.G. » 02 Jul 2006, 10:39

ze424 wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:Reasons why Rooney didn't deserve a card:
F.N.G. wrote:2) The 'stamp' happened after he should have been awarded a free kick for Figo's foul in the first place.
Irrelevant.
The reason I brought this up is the fact that earlier in the tournament a player who would have been red-carded for bringing a player down cynically, as the last man (can't remember the team or game, Italy?) escaped because the attacking player was ruled offside. I'm not sure how this rule works in the 'violent behaviour' ruling, but if that guy got away with it, Rooney would have therefore got away with it (if the referee was doing his job properly and awarded a free kick which he didn't, so I suppose you're right, it is irrelevant).

More news on Ronaldo - he's now mouthig off about joining Real madrid (he's signed a contract with a presidential candidate, hmm, isn't that called 'tapping up', and didn't Chelsea get fined £750,000 for doing that last year with Ashley Cole? One rule for R. Madrid, one for everyone else I guess), despite signing a new 5 year contract with Man Unt last season and Man Utd saying he's not for sale. Is he wanting to come home from Germany to find his house burned down or something?)... wanker. :D
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#307 Post by JJ » 02 Jul 2006, 17:41

ze424 wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:Reasons why Rooney didn't deserve a card:
F.N.G. wrote:2) The 'stamp' happened after he should have been awarded a free kick for Figo's foul in the first place.
Irrelevant.
F.N.G. wrote: 4) Ronaldo is a wanker.
Irrelevant.
F.N.G. wrote:1) The 'stamp' was unintentional
Unless you're Rooney, you can't say that. You can only question the referee's interpretation. Looking at it objectively, I don't think he can be blamed for assuming it was intentional.
F.N.G. wrote:3) If it was for the push, well that would be totally ridiculous, half the players should have been sent off in the scuffle.
With this I must agree. We'll have to wait for his report, I guess.
I can understand you being happy that Portugal got through, Ze.
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#308 Post by spivey » 03 Jul 2006, 09:25

F.N.G. wrote:Reasons why Rooney didn't deserve a card:

1) The 'stamp' was unintentional
2) The 'stamp' happened after he should have been awarded a free kick for Figo's foul in the first place.
3) If it was for the push, well that would be totally ridiculous, half the players should have been sent off in the scuffle.
4) Ronaldo is a wanker.

I can understand you being happy that Portugal got through, Ze, but I have found this entire cup shameful in the manner it has been played. I am firmly now supporting the Germans, the only team who havent yet tried to cheat their way to victory (France, second, they haven't cheated all that much). I hope Portugal get well and truly stuffed. Their behaviour in the last two games should be used as an example of how not to act in football matches.
I was about to say that I totally understood your comment regarding the Argentine ref in a British game (as it raised an eyebrow for me, considering the history there, and as we thought it was kinda shitty to get a Slovakian ref who spoke fluent German but not Spanish)...until you raised the Germans to the level of spotless. Sorry, dude, but they behaved like assholes after they won, their sore winning turning our pain into sore losing. I mean, c'mon, Borowski shushing us after scoring a penalty kick! "Hi, retard! You're winning the game by having been forced to a penalty shootout, AT HOME - how's about not being a gigantic prick about it?"

No, I'm sorry. If Germany wins, it won't be because of great football. It will be because they're playing at home. It's been 20 years since someone other than Brazil and Argentina have won the cup away from home (NOTE: no, sorry, 1990 does not count as the Germs needed a fixed game in order to win. So we'll never know what would've happened there.)

Sour grapes? Perhaps. But no more sour than anyone else's. Which is why I'm going for anyone but the home team. Sorry.

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#309 Post by F.N.G. » 03 Jul 2006, 09:57

spivey wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:Reasons why Rooney didn't deserve a card:

1) The 'stamp' was unintentional
2) The 'stamp' happened after he should have been awarded a free kick for Figo's foul in the first place.
3) If it was for the push, well that would be totally ridiculous, half the players should have been sent off in the scuffle.
4) Ronaldo is a wanker.

I can understand you being happy that Portugal got through, Ze, but I have found this entire cup shameful in the manner it has been played. I am firmly now supporting the Germans, the only team who havent yet tried to cheat their way to victory (France, second, they haven't cheated all that much). I hope Portugal get well and truly stuffed. Their behaviour in the last two games should be used as an example of how not to act in football matches.
I was about to say that I totally understood your comment regarding the Argentine ref in a British game (as it raised an eyebrow for me, considering the history there, and as we thought it was kinda shitty to get a Slovakian ref who spoke fluent German but not Spanish)...until you raised the Germans to the level of spotless. Sorry, dude, but they behaved like assholes after they won, their sore winning turning our pain into sore losing. I mean, c'mon, Borowski shushing us after scoring a penalty kick! "Hi, retard! You're winning the game by having been forced to a penalty shootout, AT HOME - how's about not being a gigantic prick about it?"

No, I'm sorry. If Germany wins, it won't be because of great football. It will be because they're playing at home. It's been 20 years since someone other than Brazil and Argentina have won the cup away from home (NOTE: no, sorry, 1990 does not count as the Germs needed a fixed game in order to win. So we'll never know what would've happened there.)

Sour grapes? Perhaps. But no more sour than anyone else's. Which is why I'm going for anyone but the home team. Sorry.
I'm not saying the Germans are perfect, or that they have played particularly well, and of course hoe advantage always makes the difference. But, they have cheated the least so far (ok, France have also been pretty good, but Henry's face cluthcing is still on my mind)
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#310 Post by Toto le Héros » 03 Jul 2006, 09:59

F.N.G. wrote:
spivey wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:Reasons why Rooney didn't deserve a card:

1) The 'stamp' was unintentional
2) The 'stamp' happened after he should have been awarded a free kick for Figo's foul in the first place.
3) If it was for the push, well that would be totally ridiculous, half the players should have been sent off in the scuffle.
4) Ronaldo is a wanker.

I can understand you being happy that Portugal got through, Ze, but I have found this entire cup shameful in the manner it has been played. I am firmly now supporting the Germans, the only team who havent yet tried to cheat their way to victory (France, second, they haven't cheated all that much). I hope Portugal get well and truly stuffed. Their behaviour in the last two games should be used as an example of how not to act in football matches.
I was about to say that I totally understood your comment regarding the Argentine ref in a British game (as it raised an eyebrow for me, considering the history there, and as we thought it was kinda shitty to get a Slovakian ref who spoke fluent German but not Spanish)...until you raised the Germans to the level of spotless. Sorry, dude, but they behaved like assholes after they won, their sore winning turning our pain into sore losing. I mean, c'mon, Borowski shushing us after scoring a penalty kick! "Hi, retard! You're winning the game by having been forced to a penalty shootout, AT HOME - how's about not being a gigantic prick about it?"

No, I'm sorry. If Germany wins, it won't be because of great football. It will be because they're playing at home. It's been 20 years since someone other than Brazil and Argentina have won the cup away from home (NOTE: no, sorry, 1990 does not count as the Germs needed a fixed game in order to win. So we'll never know what would've happened there.)

Sour grapes? Perhaps. But no more sour than anyone else's. Which is why I'm going for anyone but the home team. Sorry.
I'm not saying the Germans are perfect, or that they have played particularly well, and of course hoe advantage always makes the difference. But, they have cheated the least so far (ok, France have also been pretty good, but Henry's face cluthcing is still on my mind)
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#311 Post by Toasty » 03 Jul 2006, 10:25

I am still alive with my two favorites in the tourny

Portugal and Italy... both underdogs, but both more dangerous than anyone seems to credit them (I think).
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#312 Post by F.N.G. » 03 Jul 2006, 11:35

Toto le Héros wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
spivey wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:Reasons why Rooney didn't deserve a card:

1) The 'stamp' was unintentional
2) The 'stamp' happened after he should have been awarded a free kick for Figo's foul in the first place.
3) If it was for the push, well that would be totally ridiculous, half the players should have been sent off in the scuffle.
4) Ronaldo is a wanker.

I can understand you being happy that Portugal got through, Ze, but I have found this entire cup shameful in the manner it has been played. I am firmly now supporting the Germans, the only team who havent yet tried to cheat their way to victory (France, second, they haven't cheated all that much). I hope Portugal get well and truly stuffed. Their behaviour in the last two games should be used as an example of how not to act in football matches.
I was about to say that I totally understood your comment regarding the Argentine ref in a British game (as it raised an eyebrow for me, considering the history there, and as we thought it was kinda shitty to get a Slovakian ref who spoke fluent German but not Spanish)...until you raised the Germans to the level of spotless. Sorry, dude, but they behaved like assholes after they won, their sore winning turning our pain into sore losing. I mean, c'mon, Borowski shushing us after scoring a penalty kick! "Hi, retard! You're winning the game by having been forced to a penalty shootout, AT HOME - how's about not being a gigantic prick about it?"

No, I'm sorry. If Germany wins, it won't be because of great football. It will be because they're playing at home. It's been 20 years since someone other than Brazil and Argentina have won the cup away from home (NOTE: no, sorry, 1990 does not count as the Germs needed a fixed game in order to win. So we'll never know what would've happened there.)

Sour grapes? Perhaps. But no more sour than anyone else's. Which is why I'm going for anyone but the home team. Sorry.
I'm not saying the Germans are perfect, or that they have played particularly well, and of course hoe advantage always makes the difference. But, they have cheated the least so far (ok, France have also been pretty good, but Henry's face cluthcing is still on my mind)
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#313 Post by Gren » 03 Jul 2006, 11:52

F.N.G. wrote:
Toto le Héros wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
spivey wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:Reasons why Rooney didn't deserve a card:

1) The 'stamp' was unintentional
2) The 'stamp' happened after he should have been awarded a free kick for Figo's foul in the first place.
3) If it was for the push, well that would be totally ridiculous, half the players should have been sent off in the scuffle.
4) Ronaldo is a wanker.

I can understand you being happy that Portugal got through, Ze, but I have found this entire cup shameful in the manner it has been played. I am firmly now supporting the Germans, the only team who havent yet tried to cheat their way to victory (France, second, they haven't cheated all that much). I hope Portugal get well and truly stuffed. Their behaviour in the last two games should be used as an example of how not to act in football matches.
I was about to say that I totally understood your comment regarding the Argentine ref in a British game (as it raised an eyebrow for me, considering the history there, and as we thought it was kinda shitty to get a Slovakian ref who spoke fluent German but not Spanish)...until you raised the Germans to the level of spotless. Sorry, dude, but they behaved like assholes after they won, their sore winning turning our pain into sore losing. I mean, c'mon, Borowski shushing us after scoring a penalty kick! "Hi, retard! You're winning the game by having been forced to a penalty shootout, AT HOME - how's about not being a gigantic prick about it?"

No, I'm sorry. If Germany wins, it won't be because of great football. It will be because they're playing at home. It's been 20 years since someone other than Brazil and Argentina have won the cup away from home (NOTE: no, sorry, 1990 does not count as the Germs needed a fixed game in order to win. So we'll never know what would've happened there.)

Sour grapes? Perhaps. But no more sour than anyone else's. Which is why I'm going for anyone but the home team. Sorry.
I'm not saying the Germans are perfect, or that they have played particularly well, and of course hoe advantage always makes the difference. But, they have cheated the least so far (ok, France have also been pretty good, but Henry's face cluthcing is still on my mind)
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#314 Post by Toto le Héros » 03 Jul 2006, 14:52

I'm sorry to add that there was a foul (obstruction with the elbow on the chest of Henry). Therefore, the free kick is washed from any suspicion.
So is the goal.
It's just that Henry was so disappointed by the defender's attitude that he couldn't hold some tears. :tongue:

I wouldn't call Portugal and Italy "underdogs". I'm bragging because, so far, the tactic works. :D

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AP wrote:Frings suspended for World Cup semifinal match against Italy
By JOHN PYE, AP Sports Writer
July 3, 2006

BERLIN (AP) -- Germany's Torsten Frings was banned from the World Cup semifinals after a disciplinary committee found he punched Argentina forward Julio Cruz in a post-match fracas in the quarterfinals.

FIFA's disciplinary committee announced the ban Monday, the eve of Germany's semifinal match against Italy at Dortmund.

"We are disappointed," Germany team manager Oliver Bierhoff said. "Our opinion was that we laid down the reasons for an acquittal."

The 29-year-old midfielder was banned for two matches -- with one suspended for six months -- and fined $4,075.

That means Frings can return for either the World Cup final or the third-place playoff, but has a six-month probation period. If he commits any other kind of misconduct, he would have to serve the balance of punishment.

Despite handing down a partially suspended ban because it found that Frings had been provoked, the disciplinary committee condemned his reaction as "tantamount to an assault."

"The judgment pronounced on Frings was the result of the unequivocal television images showing his assault on Cruz. Neither the (German federation) nor the player could refute the objective evidence at hand," the committee said in a statement.

But Bierhoff said Frings had been reacting to provocation. The referee, Lubos Michel, and his assistants were directly next to Frings and had not taken action against the German midfielder.

"All we can do now is accept the decision. We will now concentrate on the Italy game and we are optimistic that Frings will return for the final," Bierhoff said.

Frings' absence is a major setback for Germany. The midfielder has been one of Germany's best players, creating attacking opportunities and carrying out a lot of the defensive work in tandem with captain Michael Ballack. Frings is likely to be replaced by Sebastian Kehl, a rugged Borussia Dortmund midfielder with similar qualities.

Argentina players Maxi Rodriguez and Leandro Cufre were cited after last Friday's match at Berlin and initially all the German players were cleared, but FIFA started an investigation into Frings' involvement after images of the skirmish were broadcast on TV in Germany and Italy.

German media reported Monday that the Italian soccer federation gave FIFA the TV footage that sparked the investigation, hoping to have the hardworking midfielder suspended for the semifinal. FIFA and the Italian federation denied the reports.

"Let me make it clear, there was no attempt whatever from the Italian federation to incite FIFA into doing something," FIFA communications director Markus Siegler said. "The footage was not presented to us from Italian TV stations, it was shown in Germany."

The Italian soccer federation said it contacted its counterpart in Germany to deny the news reports.

"We have done nothing, there has been no initiatives on our behalf against Germany," Italian federation chief Antonello Valentini told Sky Italia TV on Monday. "There is no effort on our behalf to create hostility, friction or to denounce anybody; We'll try to win the match on the field. We have no interest that Frings be punished if FIFA doesn't believe he should be."

Frings was contacted late Sunday and asked to submit his account of the incident to FIFA's disciplinary committee by Monday morning. It took the committee more than four hours to find him guilty of violent conduct. Footage from the 24 TV cameras at Berlin's Olympic Stadium had to be reviewed because Frings' involvement did not appear on the official match broadcast, Siegler said.

The disciplinary panel made the quick decision on Frings, hoping to reduce the impact on Germany's preparations for the semifinals. Cufre and Rodriguez have until Wednesday to present their cases. The disciplinary committee has not given a timeframe for when, if any, punishments are applied.

England's Wayne Rooney, who was sent off for violent conduct in the quarterfinal loss to Portugal, has until Thursday to make a statement to the committee regarding his red card.
The Frings thing is stupid (almost as stupid as when Jack in the Box carried them). But making Rooney make a definitive why-I-did-what-I-did-in-the-heat-of-battle statement? To the very idiots who represent a sport that emphasizes arbitrary rulings? I can think of a million things better for him to say then the false apology he's gonna give to those assholes.
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#316 Post by spivey » 03 Jul 2006, 17:22

JJ wrote:Suck, cont.:
AP wrote:Frings suspended for World Cup semifinal match against Italy
By JOHN PYE, AP Sports Writer
July 3, 2006

BERLIN (AP) -- Germany's Torsten Frings was banned from the World Cup semifinals after a disciplinary committee found he punched Argentina forward Julio Cruz in a post-match fracas in the quarterfinals.

FIFA's disciplinary committee announced the ban Monday, the eve of Germany's semifinal match against Italy at Dortmund.

"We are disappointed," Germany team manager Oliver Bierhoff said. "Our opinion was that we laid down the reasons for an acquittal."

The 29-year-old midfielder was banned for two matches -- with one suspended for six months -- and fined $4,075.

That means Frings can return for either the World Cup final or the third-place playoff, but has a six-month probation period. If he commits any other kind of misconduct, he would have to serve the balance of punishment.

Despite handing down a partially suspended ban because it found that Frings had been provoked, the disciplinary committee condemned his reaction as "tantamount to an assault."

"The judgment pronounced on Frings was the result of the unequivocal television images showing his assault on Cruz. Neither the (German federation) nor the player could refute the objective evidence at hand," the committee said in a statement.

But Bierhoff said Frings had been reacting to provocation. The referee, Lubos Michel, and his assistants were directly next to Frings and had not taken action against the German midfielder.

"All we can do now is accept the decision. We will now concentrate on the Italy game and we are optimistic that Frings will return for the final," Bierhoff said.

Frings' absence is a major setback for Germany. The midfielder has been one of Germany's best players, creating attacking opportunities and carrying out a lot of the defensive work in tandem with captain Michael Ballack. Frings is likely to be replaced by Sebastian Kehl, a rugged Borussia Dortmund midfielder with similar qualities.

Argentina players Maxi Rodriguez and Leandro Cufre were cited after last Friday's match at Berlin and initially all the German players were cleared, but FIFA started an investigation into Frings' involvement after images of the skirmish were broadcast on TV in Germany and Italy.

German media reported Monday that the Italian soccer federation gave FIFA the TV footage that sparked the investigation, hoping to have the hardworking midfielder suspended for the semifinal. FIFA and the Italian federation denied the reports.

"Let me make it clear, there was no attempt whatever from the Italian federation to incite FIFA into doing something," FIFA communications director Markus Siegler said. "The footage was not presented to us from Italian TV stations, it was shown in Germany."

The Italian soccer federation said it contacted its counterpart in Germany to deny the news reports.

"We have done nothing, there has been no initiatives on our behalf against Germany," Italian federation chief Antonello Valentini told Sky Italia TV on Monday. "There is no effort on our behalf to create hostility, friction or to denounce anybody; We'll try to win the match on the field. We have no interest that Frings be punished if FIFA doesn't believe he should be."

Frings was contacted late Sunday and asked to submit his account of the incident to FIFA's disciplinary committee by Monday morning. It took the committee more than four hours to find him guilty of violent conduct. Footage from the 24 TV cameras at Berlin's Olympic Stadium had to be reviewed because Frings' involvement did not appear on the official match broadcast, Siegler said.

The disciplinary panel made the quick decision on Frings, hoping to reduce the impact on Germany's preparations for the semifinals. Cufre and Rodriguez have until Wednesday to present their cases. The disciplinary committee has not given a timeframe for when, if any, punishments are applied.

England's Wayne Rooney, who was sent off for violent conduct in the quarterfinal loss to Portugal, has until Thursday to make a statement to the committee regarding his red card.
The Frings thing is stupid (almost as stupid as when Jack in the Box carried them). But making Rooney make a definitive why-I-did-what-I-did-in-the-heat-of-battle statement? To the very idiots who represent a sport that emphasizes arbitrary rulings? I can think of a million things better for him to say then the false apology he's gonna give to those assholes.
What I find even more ludicrous is that FIFA would hand down punishments to players (the German one included) who were reacting to the heat of the moment, but meanwhile FIFA officials bribe soccer federations for votes, conduct illegal campaigns against players wanting to unionize, and steal millions with no one able to do anything about it.

I'll keep coming back for more, unfortunately, 'cause I love the game and countries playing against each other adds a flair and drama unparallel in any other sport. But oh how I would love for the U.S. and Latin America to form its own "FIFA" and it's own World Cup.

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#317 Post by JJ » 03 Jul 2006, 17:35

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JJ wrote:Suck, cont.:
AP wrote:Frings suspended for World Cup semifinal match against Italy
By JOHN PYE, AP Sports Writer
July 3, 2006

BERLIN (AP) -- Germany's Torsten Frings was banned from the World Cup semifinals after a disciplinary committee found he punched Argentina forward Julio Cruz in a post-match fracas in the quarterfinals.

FIFA's disciplinary committee announced the ban Monday, the eve of Germany's semifinal match against Italy at Dortmund.

"We are disappointed," Germany team manager Oliver Bierhoff said. "Our opinion was that we laid down the reasons for an acquittal."

The 29-year-old midfielder was banned for two matches -- with one suspended for six months -- and fined $4,075.

That means Frings can return for either the World Cup final or the third-place playoff, but has a six-month probation period. If he commits any other kind of misconduct, he would have to serve the balance of punishment.

Despite handing down a partially suspended ban because it found that Frings had been provoked, the disciplinary committee condemned his reaction as "tantamount to an assault."

"The judgment pronounced on Frings was the result of the unequivocal television images showing his assault on Cruz. Neither the (German federation) nor the player could refute the objective evidence at hand," the committee said in a statement.

But Bierhoff said Frings had been reacting to provocation. The referee, Lubos Michel, and his assistants were directly next to Frings and had not taken action against the German midfielder.

"All we can do now is accept the decision. We will now concentrate on the Italy game and we are optimistic that Frings will return for the final," Bierhoff said.

Frings' absence is a major setback for Germany. The midfielder has been one of Germany's best players, creating attacking opportunities and carrying out a lot of the defensive work in tandem with captain Michael Ballack. Frings is likely to be replaced by Sebastian Kehl, a rugged Borussia Dortmund midfielder with similar qualities.

Argentina players Maxi Rodriguez and Leandro Cufre were cited after last Friday's match at Berlin and initially all the German players were cleared, but FIFA started an investigation into Frings' involvement after images of the skirmish were broadcast on TV in Germany and Italy.

German media reported Monday that the Italian soccer federation gave FIFA the TV footage that sparked the investigation, hoping to have the hardworking midfielder suspended for the semifinal. FIFA and the Italian federation denied the reports.

"Let me make it clear, there was no attempt whatever from the Italian federation to incite FIFA into doing something," FIFA communications director Markus Siegler said. "The footage was not presented to us from Italian TV stations, it was shown in Germany."

The Italian soccer federation said it contacted its counterpart in Germany to deny the news reports.

"We have done nothing, there has been no initiatives on our behalf against Germany," Italian federation chief Antonello Valentini told Sky Italia TV on Monday. "There is no effort on our behalf to create hostility, friction or to denounce anybody; We'll try to win the match on the field. We have no interest that Frings be punished if FIFA doesn't believe he should be."

Frings was contacted late Sunday and asked to submit his account of the incident to FIFA's disciplinary committee by Monday morning. It took the committee more than four hours to find him guilty of violent conduct. Footage from the 24 TV cameras at Berlin's Olympic Stadium had to be reviewed because Frings' involvement did not appear on the official match broadcast, Siegler said.

The disciplinary panel made the quick decision on Frings, hoping to reduce the impact on Germany's preparations for the semifinals. Cufre and Rodriguez have until Wednesday to present their cases. The disciplinary committee has not given a timeframe for when, if any, punishments are applied.

England's Wayne Rooney, who was sent off for violent conduct in the quarterfinal loss to Portugal, has until Thursday to make a statement to the committee regarding his red card.
The Frings thing is stupid (almost as stupid as when Jack in the Box carried them). But making Rooney make a definitive why-I-did-what-I-did-in-the-heat-of-battle statement? To the very idiots who represent a sport that emphasizes arbitrary rulings? I can think of a million things better for him to say then the false apology he's gonna give to those assholes.
What I find even more ludicrous is that FIFA would hand down punishments to players (the German one included) who were reacting to the heat of the moment, but meanwhile FIFA officials bribe soccer federations for votes, conduct illegal campaigns against players wanting to unionize, and steal millions with no one able to do anything about it.

I'll keep coming back for more, unfortunately, 'cause I love the game and countries playing against each other adds a flair and drama unparallel in any other sport. But oh how I would love for the U.S. and Latin America to form its own "FIFA" and it's own World Cup.
I'm with you on your first paragraph (of course, I hate soccer so can't support the last one, until you suggest getting the US involved in running things -- it would make the situation much better); it's part of what I was trying to say but didn't quite get out. The ruling body acts like assholes with plenty of time to deliberate and figure out what to do, and then they chastise a guy who lightly steps on the crotch of someone who tries to dryhump him two seconds earlier. Rooney's statement to FIFA should begin with GFY.
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#318 Post by F.N.G. » 04 Jul 2006, 13:41

Feel sorry for Germany. Italy played better and deserved to win without penalties. Just wish they'd play like this normally, instead of flopping and flailing like a bunch of pussies.
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#319 Post by Toto le Héros » 04 Jul 2006, 23:12

F.N.G. wrote:Feel sorry for Germany. Italy played better and deserved to win without penalties. Just wish they'd play like this normally, instead of flopping and flailing like a bunch of pussies.
We must not have seen the same game. :o
I understand that the ref was being careful because several players was under the threat of a second yellow card, but the Germans were rough, to say the least.
A shame they thought that playing football was not enough to "get there". They did well in their previous games, but this match was completely dominated by the italians.
What a finish.
What a coaching letting in Del Piero who initiated the first goal and scored the second one.
WHat goals !!

I really hope we'll go through Portugal and kick their azurean asses. :D

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#321 Post by Humphrey » 05 Jul 2006, 01:37

The problem was that Ballack was not playing well at all. Also, the Italians were doing their usual thing of murdering the game in their half, fouling anyone who even came close to their penalty area, and the ref let them get away with it. I like it when a ref does not blow his whistle every two seconds, but I think he was far too lenient in places. Of course, the Germans did not play well, so they did not deserve to win in that respect, but how can anyone support a team of cheats with brylcreem on their hair?
Oh, and Cristiano Ronaldo is a twat.
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#323 Post by Toto le Héros » 05 Jul 2006, 04:55

Portugal just found out about football players 's IQ ? :lol:

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#324 Post by Toasty » 05 Jul 2006, 05:20

Humphrey wrote:The problem was that Ballack was not playing well at all. Also, the Italians were doing their usual thing of murdering the game in their half, fouling anyone who even came close to their penalty area, and the ref let them get away with it. I like it when a ref does not blow his whistle every two seconds, but I think he was far too lenient in places. Of course, the Germans did not play well, so they did not deserve to win in that respect, but how can anyone support a team of cheats with brylcreem on their hair?
Oh, and Cristiano Ronaldo is a twat.
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How's the old phrase go?
"Defense wins Championships."

The Italians have been perfecting the shut down for 16 years.
Playing much better than they did in '02... now THAT was an example of them trying to flop and foul their way through.

So, reputations be damned. I like this team. They have a hunger in their [play and discpline amongst themselves. They know they have much to proove to the world after the goings on back home, and the results of the last 6 Cups.

I am also sticking with Portugal through their semi-clash with your Bleus, Toto. Even though France does have a Team of Destiny feeling going on right now.... I like the Portuguese flair, which should have seen them through to the 16 four years ago.
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#325 Post by Toto le Héros » 05 Jul 2006, 06:36

Toasty wrote:
Humphrey wrote:The problem was that Ballack was not playing well at all. Also, the Italians were doing their usual thing of murdering the game in their half, fouling anyone who even came close to their penalty area, and the ref let them get away with it. I like it when a ref does not blow his whistle every two seconds, but I think he was far too lenient in places. Of course, the Germans did not play well, so they did not deserve to win in that respect, but how can anyone support a team of cheats with brylcreem on their hair?
Oh, and Cristiano Ronaldo is a twat.
Allez les bleus!
How's the old phrase go?
"Defense wins Championships."

The Italians have been perfecting the shut down for 16 years.
Playing much better than they did in '02... now THAT was an example of them trying to flop and foul their way through.

So, reputations be damned. I like this team. They have a hunger in their [play and discpline amongst themselves. They know they have much to proove to the world after the goings on back home, and the results of the last 6 Cups.

I am also sticking with Portugal through their semi-clash with your Bleus, Toto. Even though France does have a Team of Destiny feeling going on right now.... I like the Portuguese flair, which should have seen them through to the 16 four years ago.
Yeah now that I'm looking at your avatar, he does indeed wear the Portuguese shirt. ;)

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