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I know we have some time until this movie comes out (May 2010), but I am just so excited about it, so I wanted to start a new topic! I saw the poster for the movie and can I say, Jake is looking fabulous as Prince Dastan. I also loved the posters of Ben Kingsley and Gemma Arterton. I can’t wait to hear more and more about the film as we inch closer to its release date! Ahhh, anticipation is rising!! Check out the website, they keep updating it with new images.

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My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

And no, it looks like a Bruckheimer shitfest. I'll probably still watch it anyway.

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Gemma Arterton couldn't act well if her life depended on it.

I'll probably go see it as well. Loved playing the game on my cousin's Amiga waaaaaaay back in the day.

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My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

And no, it looks like a Bruckheimer shitfest. I'll probably still watch it anyway.

That's funny, my friend Mr. Fluffypants has a real problem with casting a human as a Persian.
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My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

And no, it looks like a Bruckheimer shitfest. I'll probably still watch it anyway.

Good point, FNG.
Not a great casting call there.

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I'm no Smithee but wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News, and Jake Gyllenhaal as a action star, really? Some good movies with about Persians are 300 or like Syriana.

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enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

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My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

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alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

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My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims? And Muslims aren't particularly fond of Jews (killed their messiah, yaddah yaddah).

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F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

And no, it looks like a Bruckheimer shitfest. I'll probably still watch it anyway.

That's funny, my friend Mr. Fluffypants has a real problem with casting a human as a Persian.
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F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

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alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

Bullshit. Everyone loves pizza. It's like sex: when it's good, it's good; when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

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Batman wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

Bullshit. Everyone loves pizza. It's like sex: when it's good, it's good; when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

But when it's bad and you gain that extra weight from it, you wonder if it was really worth it.

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alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

I'm not saying that Gyllenhaal can't act "Persian" (if indeed there is a way to do this), or would let his beliefs (if, indeed he practices) get in the way; I was merely pointing out that my Muslim friend (and therefore possible many more Muslims) felt it was insulting to have somebody who is historically "the enemy" portraying someone of his religion.

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Batman wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

Bullshit. Everyone loves pizza. It's like sex: when it's good, it's good; when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

perhaps I should've written "genius" instead of only "respectable"
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my Muslim friend (and therefore possible many more Muslims) felt it was insulting to have somebody who is historically "the enemy" portraying someone of his religion.

The title character in the Prince of Persia games (and movie) is Muslim?

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alan smithee wrote:
Batman wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

Bullshit. Everyone loves pizza. It's like sex: when it's good, it's good; when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

perhaps I should've written "genius" instead of only "respectable"
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my Muslim friend (and therefore possible many more Muslims) felt it was insulting to have somebody who is historically "the enemy" portraying someone of his religion.

The title character in the Prince of Persia games (and movie) is Muslim?

I have no idea, but it would make sense. Sultan is an Islamic word, and he is the son (in law) of the Sultan.

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F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Batman wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

Bullshit. Everyone loves pizza. It's like sex: when it's good, it's good; when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

perhaps I should've written "genius" instead of only "respectable"
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my Muslim friend (and therefore possible many more Muslims) felt it was insulting to have somebody who is historically "the enemy" portraying someone of his religion.

The title character in the Prince of Persia games (and movie) is Muslim?

I have no idea, but it would make sense. Sultan is an Islamic word, and he is the son (in law) of the Sultan.

Isn't the prince an outsider who saves the Sultan's daughter and receives her hand (begrudgingly from the Sultan) as reward for saving her? Assuming the Sultan is Muslim (as you note, "sultan" is an Islamic honorific, so it seems likely), isn't it almost more sensible to have the prince character be Jewish and not Muslim? (Nonetheless, I'm still not sure how Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs are relevant.)

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alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
Batman wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
F.N.G. wrote:
alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

Bullshit. Everyone loves pizza. It's like sex: when it's good, it's good; when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

perhaps I should've written "genius" instead of only "respectable"
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my Muslim friend (and therefore possible many more Muslims) felt it was insulting to have somebody who is historically "the enemy" portraying someone of his religion.

The title character in the Prince of Persia games (and movie) is Muslim?

I have no idea, but it would make sense. Sultan is an Islamic word, and he is the son (in law) of the Sultan.

Isn't the prince an outsider who saves the Sultan's daughter and receives her hand (begrudgingly from the Sultan) as reward for saving her? Assuming the Sultan is Muslim (as you note, "sultan" is an Islamic honorific, so it seems likely), isn't it almost more sensible to have the prince character be Jewish and not Muslim? (Nonetheless, I'm still not sure how Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs are relevant.)

I don't know the game well enough, and I'm not even sure if this has been thought of for the character. Fair enough, you can't see why JG's beliefs are relevant, I'm getting fed up with the argument in general, as an atheist I couldn't give a damn about JG's beliefs, however my friend can see, so I would assume others can too. I do believe it is an example of Hollywood "whitewashing" the world, however at the same time, it's all about the money, and I can't think of any "Persian" actors who would be a box office draw.

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alan smithee wrote:
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alan smithee wrote:
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wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

Bullshit. Everyone loves pizza. It's like sex: when it's good, it's good; when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

perhaps I should've written "genius" instead of only "respectable"
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my Muslim friend (and therefore possible many more Muslims) felt it was insulting to have somebody who is historically "the enemy" portraying someone of his religion.

The title character in the Prince of Persia games (and movie) is Muslim?

I have no idea, but it would make sense. Sultan is an Islamic word, and he is the son (in law) of the Sultan.

Isn't the prince an outsider who saves the Sultan's daughter and receives her hand (begrudgingly from the Sultan) as reward for saving her? Assuming the Sultan is Muslim (as you note, "sultan" is an Islamic honorific, so it seems likely), isn't it almost more sensible to have the prince character be Jewish and not Muslim? (Nonetheless, I'm still not sure how Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs are relevant.)

I don't know the game well enough, and I'm not even sure if this has been thought of for the character. Fair enough, you can't see why JG's beliefs are relevant, I'm getting fed up with the argument in general, as an atheist I couldn't give a damn about JG's beliefs, however my friend can see, so I would assume others can too. I do believe it is an example of Hollywood "whitewashing" the world, however at the same time, it's all about the money, and I can't think of any "Persian" actors who would be a box office draw.

How about Jonathon Ahdout. His parents are both Iranian.


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alan smithee wrote:
enigmafa wrote:
wouldn't a post like this go in Movie News

seems sensible
F.N.G. wrote:
My Muslim friend has a real problem with the casting of a Jew as a Persian. Who'd have thought it.

Having a problem casting Jake Gyllenhaal as a Persian (or in Prince of Persia) for other reasons may make sense, but why are Gyllenhaal's religious beliefs relevant to casting him as a Persian?

Because (and I don't know the full historical facts here, so feel free to correct me) aren't Persians Muslims?

Not all of them. (e.g.)

(Similarly, I wouldn't understand concern with an actor who is a son of a Jew and Catholic (both of whom spent the better part of a decade in the Children of God cult) portraying a (at-times) Christian. Of course, Johnny Cash being played by a Puerto Rican rapper is for another discussion.)

Though that's not what I was trying to get at in my poorly worded previous post.

Here's part of a poorly constructed analogy: I'm 6'1" and probably shouldn't be playing a 5'2" (or 7'2") character on screen. However, I like pizza, but I bet (were I actually a respectable actor) that I could play a character that hates pizza.

Bullshit. Everyone loves pizza. It's like sex: when it's good, it's good; when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

Clearly, you've never been to Shakey's.


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